Conversation with Everipedia Started on September 11, 2019 at 09:09 AM America/Los_Angeles time (GMT-08:00) --- 09:09 AM | Alexandre Julien: Hey I'm new to Everipedia but I've been contributing to Wikipedia since 2005. I was wondering if editing on Everipedia was limited to the "visual editor" or if there was a way to edit in a "code" mode, like on Wikipedia? 09:11 AM | William from Everipedia: Right now we're limited to the visual editor (should be a lot more streamlined) but we've had a few people mention they feel more comfortable editing in code mode. So we're definitely exploring it. If you don't mind answering to give me a bit more info on how you would use code mode? why would you prefer it over the visual editor? 09:13 AM | Alexandre Julien: Well to begin with, the visual editor mode always freezes my internet browsers (tried with Chrome, Chrome Canary, Explorer, Edge, Firefox). It's just really heavy on large pages, say for example the Harold Hecht article, which I originally wrote and published on Wikipedia with the help of his family. It has not been edited on Everipedia since it was imported from Wikipedia. When I went to edit it, the page was so long that my tab kept crashing. In that respect, I think that the possibility to edit a single section/chapter instead of being limited to the entire page at once, would be beneficial. 09:15 AM | Alexandre Julien: A second reason is for articles that were deemed "non-notable" on Wikipedia, and got deleted. Since Everipedia allows for lesser known public figures or bands not on MTV, I was planning to submit that content here. I kept the original code text that was used on Wikipedia and I was hoping to simply paste that in the editor, double check the inter-links and sources, and take it from there, but unfortunately, it's not working and I'm ending up with a block of code text that's not being rendered. 09:17 AM | William from Everipedia: Wow, this is very helpful, thank you! I think a lot of the other people who wanted to use the code also wanted to carry over articles they'd written on other wikis. I totally feel you about the pages crashing. It's a bug we're aware of and trying to deal with. Keep in mind that we've only been out of our redesign for a little more than a month. So we're still in beta right now and aggressively making updates.  09:18 AM | Alexandre Julien: With regards to my first issue, the pages crashing, it's mainly because the visual editor is heavy on the RAM, whereas the code editor was just text and didn't overload the browser. 09:19 AM | Alexandre Julien: Do you currently have a tip or easier way to bring over deleted articles from Wikipedia to Everipedia? I also have them archived on the Wayback Machine. Can the text be copied from there and pasted in the visual editor? 09:23 AM | William from Everipedia: You should definitely be able to copy/paste the text into the visual editor. I would try doing it bit by bit. Start your page and add a lead sentence + a citation. Then submit to make sure it goes through. If you make a page with too much formatting before pushing it through, it can cause an issue. Give it a try and let me know if you run into any problems!  09:23 AM | Alexandre Julien: By issue, you mean it could crash? 09:24 AM | William from Everipedia: We're working on a way to get more in sync with Wikipedia (so to make sure Everipedia pages are always updated when Wikipedia ones are) but this convo has been enlisghtening about other use cases so I'm gonna let the devs now. And yeah, it can sometimes crash right now if you overload a page with too much formatting before submitting.  09:24 AM | Alexandre Julien: Do you mind if I ask you a couple more questions? 09:24 AM | William from Everipedia: Not at all! :) 09:27 AM | Alexandre Julien: I'm confused with the inter-linking. For example, I wanted to edit a page relating to Alfred Hitchcock. I noticed that his film Vertigo was not linked so I used the Link tool, an "@" popped up, and I started typing. The page for the film is titled Vertigo (film), so clicked on that to select it. But then the blue linked text actually said "Vertigo (film)". Is that normal, and will it automatically appear as simply "Vertigo" once submitted, or was I doing something wrong? 09:27 AM | William from Everipedia: There is a small text box that allows you to override the words being linked with your own referent. So whatever you type in that little box will show up in blue.  09:28 AM | Alexandre Julien: You know because on Wikipedia you have to do [[Vertigo (film)|Vertigo]]. 09:28 AM | William from Everipedia: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Here you can just click override text and write whatever you want as a referent for the blue link.  09:30 AM | Alexandre Julien: Hmm, I'm having trouble figuring that out. Let me try it 09:31 AM | Alexandre Julien: Let's say I highlight the text, then click Link, the @ comes up. 09:31 AM | Alexandre Julien: Oh I see I have to check the Override box 09:31 AM | William from Everipedia: Yup, then you sohuld see a dropdown menu. At the top there is a little checkbox. Click that. Then it should open a little text box. Whatever you type in there will show up in blue. 09:32 AM | Alexandre Julien: And I have to fill that out before I select which page to link to. 09:33 AM | Alexandre Julien: Got it, that worked. 09:34 AM | William from Everipedia: Nice! Yeah, we're working on a more in-depth tutorial for these things. So I appreciate your patience :) 09:35 AM | Alexandre Julien: Oh I'm happy to learn! This is new to me but I plan to stick around. 09:35 AM | Alexandre Julien: Would you say that copy the text from a page of this size would crash the editor? https://web.archive.org/web/20170911073107/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_Éternel 09:36 AM | Alexandre Julien: that a copy of the text* 09:37 AM | William from Everipedia: It might if you did it all in one fell swoop. Try adding it in two to three stages and it should work.  09:38 AM | Alexandre Julien: Do I need to put in a disclaimer at the end where I stopped so that people voting don't vote against it if they notice it is incomplete? 09:39 AM | William from Everipedia: Once you submit an article it will give you a small box describing your edit. I would put that it's incomplete there. I go through the edits every day so I'll be watching and make sure to upvote if anyone marks it down. 09:39 AM | William from Everipedia: Are you interested in joining our Top Editors Telegram group? It's a place where editors come together to ask questions, stay updated and share what they're working on. Let me know and I'll send you an invite :) 09:40 AM | Alexandre Julien: Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! It might take me a while to prepare it but I'll be submitting it in the next few days. 09:40 AM | Alexandre Julien: Is there a way to change my username on here instead of these random letters and numbers? 09:41 AM | William from Everipedia: Not yet! It's something we want to implement, but we're a bit constricted by the EOS system. Full user profiles with direct messagnig, etc... is something we're working on.  09:43 AM | Alexandre Julien: Okay great! Well this was a really pleasant and helpful chat William (my name's Alex by the way), I really appreciate it. Very different from the elitist attitude on Wikipedia! I'm really looking forward to contributing on Everipedia from now on! 09:44 AM | Alexandre Julien: Oh I'm sorry I just thought of something else. Does Everipedia have an equivalent to Wikidata? 09:46 AM | William from Everipedia: I'm glad! I despise the Wikipedia gatekeeping tactics, the community is too exclusive. It seems the site began resting on its laurels when they hit peak brand recognition. I don't believe we have our own version of Wikidata, but there's a lot on the way... we have an IPFS protocol that will allow us to bring all of Wikipedia to countries like China and Turkey where it's blocked. We are working on internationnal language support, we're developing other platforms for the IQ ecosystem (a tokenized Quora, prediction market, GitHub) and will even create a DAO for funding IQ token projects. So I think we'll eventually get there, we've just got a lot on our immediate plate :) 09:48 AM | Alexandre Julien: Some of that went over my head, I'm not that technical.... Does any of that relate to what's considered "authority control" or linking between other databases, such as the OCLC or something? 09:49 AM | William from Everipedia: Haha now that went over my head :P Basically right now Wikipedia is blocked in several countries, so we'll be fixing that. As for the other stuff, it relates to the fact that Everipedia is built on the blockchain and tokenized (you can earn cryptocurrency from editing). We will be fleshing out the token economy that supports Everipedia.  09:51 AM | Alexandre Julien: I understand that. The OCLC is a database in Ohio that runs WorldCat and several other identity databases like ISNI and VIAF and works closely with the Library of Congress. Pretty much every band, author, book, release, dvd or film should have its own identification number which differentiates it from other items of the same name. 09:56 AM | William from Everipedia: Got ya, I'm gonna have to look into that.  09:57 AM | Alexandre Julien: Okay. Well thanks again for your time William. We'll talk again soon I'm sure! 10:01 AM | William from Everipedia: My pleasure! Take it easy and don't hesitate to send me a message if you ever need anything :) 12:50 PM | Alexandre Julien: Hello again William. I just wanted to let you know that I started submitting the article for Vision Eternel. It took me a couple of hours just to adapt the introduction paragraphs from Wikipedia to Everipedia. https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/vision-eternel I'm having a bit of trouble with the Infobox. Is there a setting type that I should choose for Bands? 12:51 PM | William from Everipedia: Awesome! I think bands can be creative work of art (we should probably add something a little more clear for pages like these. I'll make a note of it.) 12:53 PM | Alexandre Julien: Will that automatically add the Infobox options that say Metallica has on theirs? Or do I have an option to add these manually? 12:53 PM | William from Everipedia: You'll have the option to add them manually. Right now we have a feature where if you select one of those options intially, they'll populate the page. Otherwise you just enter the items you can think of that are relevant.  12:55 PM | Alexandre Julien: Okay I'll play around with that then. How about images? I haven't explored that yet, but do they get uploaded directly to Everipedia, or do they have to be hosted elsewhere and are only linked/embedded in Everipedia? 12:56 PM | William from Everipedia: They can be uploaded directly to Everipedia. We mainly only support Jpeg, GIF and PNG right now. 12:56 PM | Alexandre Julien: Okay thanks again William! 12:56 PM | William from Everipedia: Any time :) 02:07 PM | Alexandre Julien: Hey again William. I'm sorry to keep bugging you. I just spotted what I believe if a typo in Everipedia's FAQ page. On this page https://everipedia.org/faq/everipedia-guidelines In the section Social Channels. The first point says "Be Kind and Curious". I think that should read "Courteous". Maybe you can pass that on to the Devs for correction! 02:08 PM | William from Everipedia: Haha thanks, good catch! I'll let the team know :) 02:08 PM | Alexandre Julien: Awesome! 02:16 PM | William from Everipedia: Just letting you know that we fixed the error, so thanks for reporting it!  02:25 PM | Alexandre Julien: That's great man! --- Exported from Everipedia on September 11, 2019 at 08:24 PM America/Los_Angeles time (GMT-08:00)