Editors (esp. new ones) frequently worry about whether their data changes will be lost after their edits "expire". I feel we could maybe make the whole experience less confusing if we can come up with some other verbiage to use.

      Also, the edits don't really expire - their voting period does. Maybe something like "resolves in"? I'd suggest "applies in", but this is only conditionally true. "Resolves" is maybe a bit too fancy of a word though. Any suggestions would be welcome.

      Recent example: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/expires-in-5-days/383400?u=freso

          [MBS-9732] Change "expires in" wording/phrasing

          Nicolás Tamargo added a comment - https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/pull/1000

          Agreed with "Voting closes in 2 days", and agreed "Requires" is misleading. "For quick application: 3 unanimous Yes votes" might make more sense. I'd drop "Conditions" and "Data Quality": the latter has no effect now which means AFAICT all edits accept upon expiration anyway.

          Nicolás Tamargo added a comment - Agreed with "Voting closes in 2 days", and agreed "Requires" is misleading. "For quick application: 3 unanimous Yes votes" might make more sense. I'd drop "Conditions" and "Data Quality": the latter has no effect now which means AFAICT all edits accept upon expiration anyway.

          yindesu added a comment -

          While we're discussing the edit page sidebar, I think a broader shakeup of it would help resolve potential editor confusion. This example was https://musicbrainz.org/edit/53420910:

          Status: Open
          This edit is open and awaiting votes before it can be applied.
          
          Opened: 2018-06-02 17:43 UTC
          Expiration: Expires in 2 days
          Data Quality: Normal
          Requires: 3 unanimous votes
          Conditions: Accept upon expiration 
          Raw edit data for this edit
          
          For more information:
          Voting FAQ
          Editing FAQ
          Edit Types
          

          In my opinion,

          • "Expiration: Expires in 2 days" should probably be more like "Voting: Closes in 2 days"
          • "Requires: 3 unanimous votes" is misleading.
          • "Conditions: Accept upon expiration" - I think this section should either be merged with "Requires" or removed.
          • "Raw edit data for this edit" should probably be moved, because everything above and below it is about voting, not the edit data, and votes aren't a part of the edit data.
          • The Voting FAQ link doesn't go to questions/answers and is titled "Introduction to Voting"

          yindesu added a comment - While we're discussing the edit page sidebar, I think a broader shakeup of it would help resolve potential editor confusion. This example was https://musicbrainz.org/edit/53420910 : Status: Open This edit is open and awaiting votes before it can be applied. Opened: 2018-06-02 17:43 UTC Expiration: Expires in 2 days Data Quality: Normal Requires: 3 unanimous votes Conditions: Accept upon expiration Raw edit data for this edit For more information: Voting FAQ Editing FAQ Edit Types In my opinion, "Expiration: Expires in 2 days" should probably be more like "Voting: Closes in 2 days" "Requires: 3 unanimous votes" is misleading. "Conditions: Accept upon expiration" - I think this section should either be merged with "Requires" or removed. "Raw edit data for this edit" should probably be moved, because everything above and below it is about voting, not the edit data, and votes aren't a part of the edit data. The Voting FAQ link doesn't go to questions/answers and is titled "Introduction to Voting"

          Smeulf added a comment - - edited

          To be more specific, that's the 'will be' that I think can be confusing, as it can change from day to day. If we use "According current votes, the change will be accepted/rejected" then it sounds better to me. Maybe adding a link to the wiki about the voting system could be nice too.

          But that's just my opinion and I can be wrong...

          Smeulf added a comment - - edited To be more specific, that's the 'will be' that I think can be confusing, as it can change from day to day. If we use "According current votes, the change will be accepted/rejected" then it sounds better to me. Maybe adding a link to the wiki about the voting system could be nice too. But that's just my opinion and I can be wrong...

          Invisible Man added a comment -

          @Smeulf What exactly do you think is confusing if you see the actual status as "accepted in..." or "rejected in..."?

          I don't think that "calculate what the result in x days maybe will be" (especially for beginners) is easier. Or how do you explain the fact, that 0 votes will be result in a accepted edit?

          Invisible Man added a comment - @Smeulf What exactly do you think is confusing if you see the actual status as "accepted in..." or "rejected in..."? I don't think that "calculate what the result in x days maybe will be" (especially for beginners) is easier. Or how do you explain the fact, that 0 votes will be result in a accepted edit?

          Smeulf added a comment -

          IMO if we're talking about the edit itself, 'pending for' would be good. If it's about the voting period, I'd say 'votes opened for X days'. I'm not for changing the text according the number of votes, as it could be confusing if it change many times.

          Smeulf added a comment - IMO if we're talking about the edit itself, 'pending for' would be good. If it's about the voting period, I'd say 'votes opened for X days'. I'm not for changing the text according the number of votes, as it could be confusing if it change many times.

          I'm pretty sure that was changed some time ago. I've witnessed at least one sockpuppet voting incident, and the fact that all the voters' names were displayed was part of how we determined that editor was using sockpuppets.

          HibiscusKazeneko added a comment - I'm pretty sure that was changed some time ago. I've witnessed at least one sockpuppet voting incident, and the fact that all the voters' names were displayed was part of how we determined that editor was using sockpuppets.

          IIRC votes are not always visible from the edit view while the edit is open, to avoid influencing other voters too much or something. Not sure if we already changed that though.

          Nicolás Tamargo added a comment - IIRC votes are not always visible from the edit view while the edit is open, to avoid influencing other voters too much or something. Not sure if we already changed that though.

          Psychoadept added a comment -

          Yes, surely making the text adaptive isn't too tall an order?

          Psychoadept added a comment - Yes, surely making the text adaptive isn't too tall an order?

          Invisible Man added a comment - - edited

          Maybe something like:

          Will be accepted in x days
          or
          Will be rejected in x days

          Even better with the actual number of Yes- and No-Votes when hoovering over the already calculated date.

          Example:

          Will be accepted in 6 days

          (with hoovering text "2 Yes votes, 1 No vote"
          or
          "0 Yes votes, 0 No votes")

          Invisible Man added a comment - - edited Maybe something like: Will be accepted in x days or Will be rejected in x days Even better with the actual number of Yes- and No-Votes when hoovering over the already calculated date. Example: Will be accepted in 6 days (with hoovering text "2 Yes votes, 1 No vote" or "0 Yes votes, 0 No votes")

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